Blogathon - Curt Eichelberger
Blogathon 2003
Time: 03:30 Eastern
Location: home
Curt Eichelberger does pop art via spray paint on plexiglass, and frankly, I love it. Especially items that feature Planet of the Apes imagery. This one above though was just so sad and so beautiful, I just had to have it.
Too bad for you that Curt Eichelberger is a ripoff artist who really has no talent...
you can see for yourself: http://www.gigposters.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=20259
irked <gues@guest.com>
- Saturday, August 14, 2004 at 23:53:58 (EDT)
i am sick of loser art wanna be's talk smack about my art. read my web site. i use art for my art , i could care less what you think of it , most of are talentless hacks , i will sitting on my high horse laughing at how your not doing.
curt <yomamma@yahoo.com>
- Wednesday, December 08, 2004 at 11:19:13 (EST)
Curt's art rocks. I bought a couple of his pieces when I used to live and work in Downtown Dallas. I wish I had more money at the time, I would have bought more.
Scott <styleintl@yahoo.com>
- Monday, February 21, 2005 at 19:42:28 (EST)
you guys should take it easy , you must know he pasted away like a week ago in dallas
ted <tednights@aol.com>
- Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 10:48:04 (EST)
Curt didn't pass away. The stupid asshole faked his own death online to get a thread removed from gigposters.com. Curt is a unoriginal,talentless peice of shit.
haw haw <fadetoleft34@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 13:11:54 (EST)
Curt is a hack.
Greg
- Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 15:12:04 (EST)
"using" other people's art and then calling it your own does not an artist make.
nope- not even a "pop" artists.
read, research, be inspired but at least TRY to be original!
efork
- Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 22:37:54 (EST)
What does "he pasted away like a week ago" mean? like he copied and pasted other people's artwork for his own? i know he is good at that
eckelbergers <eck@ek.com>
- Sunday, April 10, 2005 at 23:06:19 (EDT)
you guy need to do your homework there is more to the world than dumb rockposters . oh yeah fuck gigposter nerd.
fuck tards <crap@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 17:11:00 (EDT)
Anyone who thinks Curt's art isn't original is an idiot. Art may be inspired from other images and anything else for that matter. Once it is visually altered it becomes a new piece of art. Look at Andy Warhol's work if you want a perfect example. I personally have many peices of Curt's work in my own home which are all definitely original works. And I know him well. He doesn't need to copy somebody else's stuff. He doesn't care enough to. If you know him at all you should know he would never stoop to that desperate level. He is extremely talented and should be recognized as so.
Debbie <debbie@dlhayward.com>
- Thursday, July 28, 2005 at 11:51:37 (EDT)
yeah what that girl said . it is sad day when a bunch of loser graphic artist try to call out a real artist. look doing adds and posters not art .. ok ..thank you . it was never art till he stepped in and made into art. till then it was just a drawing .
assmaster@fuckyouanyway.com <assmaster@fuckyouanyway.com>
- Thursday, July 28, 2005 at 12:21:10 (EDT)
curt eichelberger is a fraud and a liar. he faked his own death online and has ripped off several people who bought his work via credit card. the guy has never had an original idea in his life. he is a parasite stealing the work of REAL artists and passing it off as his own.
you gotta be a chump to buy a curt eichelberger piece cause the guy does nothing but apple c, apple v.
phony , fraud , liar. pathertic worm with zero talent.
canasta master <cm2001@hotmail.com>
- Friday, July 29, 2005 at 10:20:20 (EDT)
Its not about being inspired from other images and comparing it to Andy Warhol. Curt literally copied and pasted other unknown artist's work and sold them as his own. When we was caught, instead of admitting his mistake and moving on, he made the situation worse by essentially telling everyone to fuck off. He is an unoriginal hack and one of the more foolish individuals I have ever encountered in the art world.
And thank you for your post Debbie, since you know Curt so well, you even more proof that Curt is in fact alive and that he faked his own death on the internet in hopes of getting a incriminating thread off the internet. Going as far as posting as his mother to let people know he was dead. Bravo Curt.
I personally will do my best to continue to let people know that Curt Eichelberger is a spineless hack that rips off other artists for his own personal gain.
Dale Farsworth
- Sunday, July 31, 2005 at 17:32:56 (EDT)
well dale for your info. to copy paste you would have to be on a computer. not actually painting. wich curt does. and as far credit card card stealling come on read the article. the site was hacked and no one lost money. (bet it was a mad poster artist.) and if you lived in dallas you would know that the death online was just used to spread rumors, and as far as telling people to fuck off . well if you knew him . that is what he best at.he could give a fuck what anyone says, and i agree . fuck off get a life. there is more out there man. girls, new star trek. hell even church. find soemthing that you can really focus on other than people you dont know , and dont really care about . and we all know how safe it is online to talk shit.
dales mother <dalesmomsdick@yourhouse.com>
- Monday, August 01, 2005 at 12:22:34 (EDT)
this is the real image ..the one they stole . then below is the one i took for a one just painting. he/she took it into photoshop converted it to black and white and the put text over it , i took it blew it up cut it out in vinyl mounted it to the back of plexi glass the painted it from the back to be viewed from the front . i love gene so do they. wtf.
the same thing on this one , this is the real one of sammmy . they took it from pizz actually , and then they took it from him. then i took it from them. then OK47 clothing took it from me and etc. etc. etc ..so who stole what ? i did just one painting . OK47 had them in urban outfitters hmm who made more money ?
now this one ..is confusing to me . i took a photo of a stencil on a sidewalk in SF . and then made it into a design for a shirt . but i never did it . then zero boutique asked if they could use it . i never even saw it . on gigposter.com oh yeah not zero clothing . zero boutique. but they do put zero on all their shirts. hmm wonder if they are coping that .?
now this one i got from gigposter i loved the image . i actually did it to hang in my kids room . but it was really liked by everyone that saw it . i also did it on plexi glass in reverse. that is why all my images are flipped . i am doing that to avoid copy write stuff. i only did one and it was destroyed in shipping to an art show in OKC. so it was actually a loss. i really loved the image too,
same with this one. i had done a series of vintage motorcycle shirts and one huge mural . and the guy in the reminded me of those images. i never did a paitning only one pillow . never got bought i gave it to my son . he still uses it today . there are a few more images i have used. from all over . yahoo, fan art sites . i have a whole filing cabinet full of pictures of people old coloring books , magazines, stuff from online . i take those image and sort of put them together in a away that is appealing to me . sort of like a scrap book then paint it. yes paint it ! i know it is hard to believe . and all of these paintings that i did that made all these guys mad. i did like 5 years ago as well . i have moved on so far past those . i dont really use plex any more . i am doing so many other things . mostly spending time with my kids . doing shows here and there. i know,no one seems to get me and my art except those close to me . i really dont care you will get over m and move on as well . i am not painting for you or anyone else but me . and people like it ! they buy it! if not fuck it . i am not rich . i never really made any money . just another joe blow working for a living doing what i love art .
crap carp <crap@crap.com>
- Monday, August 01, 2005 at 15:11:11 (EDT)
i found the above statement on myspace . i think it is pretty forward . the pictures did not work here but it you get the point .
found <found@yahoo.com>
- Monday, August 01, 2005 at 15:12:50 (EDT)
Actually, I was kinda hoping the fucker was dead.
8ball <eightballgraphics@juno.com>
- Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 14:40:53 (EDT)
Updated thread link to the Curt Eichelberger shitstorm:
http://www.gigposters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19212&page;=1&pp;=10
someguy <heymymomis@yerhouse.com>
- Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 14:44:02 (EDT)
Curtis, you have babies? You shouldn't have sex, shame on you Curtis. You told me your were dead.
I have no son.
Curts Mother <mseichelberger@scatlovers.com>
- Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 14:45:20 (EDT)
so he's not dead. does that mean my curt stuff is worth half as much as it could be but twice as much as the originals? damn i'm confused.
pogue mahone
- Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 14:45:32 (EDT)
this is curts mom...
he died in a tragic car crash last night...
one of the first things I as a mother feel that I need to do is go onto gigposters.com and clear his name..
I'm really bummed my son is dead
:sniff:
hahaha
what a crock
Curt's Mom <doucherocket@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 14:50:44 (EDT)
dont you fiucktargs know anything. curt is part of the pop post neo theftism movement. its here, its qweer ...get used to it.
stolen artist <stolen@art.com>
- Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 14:51:37 (EDT)
look, all of my stuff is original and awesome. you guys are so jealous of it, because I took your stuff and made it 100 times better that it was. i took your lame drawings and clip art and made it real art. you should thank me for making your stuff real and giving it street cred.
as for the faking my own death stuff. that was a piece of art as well. performance art ...that is my new thing, and i am even better at that than I am at the pop art stuff i did.
curt <art-god@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 15:03:36 (EDT)
It's all been done before. Nothing is original. Discuss.
Curt Chantry <makavelli@phantomdooker.com>
- Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 15:10:22 (EDT)
You can copy and paste in real life.. ive done it before. Takes longer, but you can do it
Poppa Doc <thisis@acrockofshit.com>
- Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 15:15:15 (EDT)
look, my stuff rules.yours doesnt. jealous. you are very much.my work is 100100010100101x better than your handdrawn illustrations, i take other peoples stuff and flip horizontal. that's art.
ur jealous because i faked my own death and you didnt. im a better artist then all of you put together into one artist. you guys suck and my art doesnt rip anyone off.
curt <art-god@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 15:23:25 (EDT)
Incredibly lame. Dude doesn't have an original idea in his body. If he takes a shit, he's ripping somebody off.
Brother Xerox <fuckyoucurt@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 15:29:51 (EDT)
so where does it say it is better than the original ?
and why do people care if some one does a painting of thier drawing?
i would be flattered.
it sound like someone has some inner problems .
right <right@you.com>
- Friday, August 05, 2005 at 10:16:22 (EDT)
actually i find it kinda funny that these dorks are still bitching about art that was done like 5 years ago. have you even seen the new art ? i think you would pulling your head out of your ass and checking into things before you start bitching. learn what you are talking about . this just makes you look like an ass .
qqqqqqqqq
- Friday, August 05, 2005 at 10:19:49 (EDT)
that gig poster link just takes you back to the same posters curt linked on his page. you think you would read.
what is your problem ?
lame
- Friday, August 05, 2005 at 10:22:09 (EDT)
ok so let me get this ! you stole it ? and then curt like it . did his painting of it . because he thought is was great . sort of like a tribute. and he is the unoriginal one . and why does he think it is better ? did he say that ?
posters
- Friday, August 05, 2005 at 10:24:51 (EDT)
when did he say his stuff was better ?i dont read that anywhere ? please send me a link ?
tttttt
- Friday, August 05, 2005 at 10:26:04 (EDT)
you guys are lost .. maybe you should seek out christ .
you guys are lost
- Friday, August 05, 2005 at 10:33:41 (EDT)
so wich poster artist drew the painting from above ?
is that not his work ? if someone else did please send us a link
er
- Friday, August 05, 2005 at 10:34:42 (EDT)
Approximately one third of the New Testament consists of letters, or epistles, written by the apostle Paul and addressed to the Christian churches of his day. Because these letters are older than any of the gospel accounts of the life of Jesus, they constitute the most reliable source that we have today for information concerning the early history of the Christian movement. With few exceptions, these letters were written in response to conditions that existed in the particular churches with which Paul was associated. Not until some time passed after Pauls death were these letters circulated among the churches and read along with the Old Testament Scriptures as a part of regular worship services. Still later, they came to be regarded as inspired writings comparable to the sacred Scriptures of Judaism.
To understand the contents of these letters, it is necessary to know something about the man who wrote them, as well as about the particular circumstances under which they were written. Fortunately for us, considerable information along these lines is available within the letters themselves and can be supplemented by biographical accounts written by Luke, who was a companion of Paul, and included in the Book of Acts.
Paul was a native of Tarsus, a city of considerable importance in the Greco-Roman world. He was a descendant of the Hebrew tribe of Benjamin and originally was named Saul, after Israels first king. Raised in a Jewish home, he was taught the Old Testament Scriptures and brought up in strict accordance with the beliefs and practices of the Pharisee sect. As he grew older, he was sent to the city of Jerusalem, where he studied under Gamaliel, one of the leading Jewish rabbis of that day. Later, he returned to Tarsus and probably attended the Greek university located in that city, although we have no direct information about this.
A crucial turning point in Pauls career came after he returned to Jerusalem and began studies in preparation for becoming a rabbi. As a devoted and loyal Jew of the Pharisee sect, his attention was given primarily to a detailed analysis of the requirements set forth in the Mosaic Law. He became familiar not only with the Law itself but with the explanations and commentaries made by the leading rabbis of the Jewish faith. In harmony with one of the basic doctrines of Judaism, he believed that salvation could be obtained only by obedience to all of the laws that God had given to his people. But as Paul pursued his studies, he became conscious of the fact that a mere knowledge concerning what one ought to do does not produce the desire to do it. Furthermore, he realized that desires give rise to actions, but the Law is unable to give one the desires that are necessary to meet its requirements. In fact, the situation is even worse than that, for the knowledge that one ought not to do certain things often acts as a stimulus creating the desire to do it. This conflict between duty and desire became an intolerable situation for Paul; because of it, he gave up his plans for becoming a rabbi. To compensate for his failure to carry out his original plans, he was anxious to find something of real merit that he might do, which he believed he found in the need for suppressing a new religious movement that he regarded as both dangerous and hereticalChristianity.
This new religious movement was promulgated by a group of people who claimed to be followers of Jesus, a man who had been crucified but who, they now believed, had risen from the dead, ascended to heaven, and would return to earth in power and great glory. Putting an end to this movement was what Paul now devoted himself to with the utmost zeal. He hunted down the members of this group, had them committed to prison, and threatened them with death. But as he did so, he could not help but be impressed by the way in which the Christians met the persecutions inflicted upon them.
The stoning of Stephen was one of these incidents. With perfect calm and an inner peace of mind, Stephen knelt down and prayed that those who were casting the stones might be forgiven. It was perfectly evident that these Christians possessed that which Paul desired more than anything else: the peace of mind that comes with a clear conscience and a deep conviction that they are living in harmony with the will of God. Paul came to realize that there must be some connection between these persons faith in Jesus and their manner of living. No doubt this conviction was growing upon him for some time, but the climactic turning point in his career came while he was journeying to Damascus. Convinced now that Jesus was a righteous man and that his death on the cross was not the just punishment of a criminal but rather that of a martyr who died for a noble cause, Paul was ready to give himself to that same cause, which was more alive than it had been before Jesus crucifixion and which pointed the way to a salvation that could not be achieved by obedience to a set of laws that were contrary to human desires.
Pauls decision to cast his lot with the members of the Christian community did not make him a missionary all at once, for about fourteen years passed before his work as a leader in the movement received any general recognition. During this time, Paul had ample opportunity to rethink his religious conceptions, systematize his understanding of the meaning of Jesus career on earth, and formulate plans for spreading Christianity throughout the world. Eventually, he was invited by Barnabas to come to the church at Antioch and assist in the work being done there. After serving this church for a brief period, Paul began a series of missionary journeys to spread the news of salvation offered through Jesus physical death. While engaged in these missionary activities, he wrote the letters that are preserved in the New Testament
th bible
- Friday, August 05, 2005 at 10:35:49 (EDT)
The occasion for this letter was a controversy that developed among the churches in Galatia, and especially the one in Antioch, concerning the matter of requiring Gentile Christians to obey the Mosaic Law. One law very much in question concerned circumcision, a religious rite that meant for Jews much the same thing as baptism came to mean for Christians of a later period. The Christians whose background had been in Judaism could see no reason why this rite should not be required of all Christians, as it was for Jews. As they understood it, the laws given by God through Moses were binding for all time and could never be set aside by human beings or by any set of circumstances that might arise.
When people with a Gentile background became followers of Jesus and sought admission to the Christian churches, they saw no particular value in the observance of the rite of circumcision and wanted to be excused from it. Paul, invited to work with the Gentile element in the church, was sympathetic to their position. The experiences that he encountered with the Mosaic Law prior to his conversion convinced him that no one could ever be saved by mere obedience to a set of external laws. His own conversion to the Christian faith was brought about by the conviction that the spirit manifested in the life of Jesus took possession of the hearts and minds of individuals and enabled them to be saved. Accordingly, if Gentile Christians were possessed by this spirit, which for Paul was the true meaning of faith, it made little or no difference at all whether they conformed to the letter of the Mosaic Law. So long as Paul remained with these churches, the Jewish and Gentile elements seemed to get along without any serious trouble, each group following the dictates of its individual conscience. But after Paul left on one of his missionary tours, trouble began when prominent officials of the church in Jerusalem visited the newly established churches in Galatia.
These church visitors insisted that the law concerning circumcision, as well as the other requirements of the Mosaic Law, was binding on all Christians, including those coming from a Gentile background. Furthermore, they launched a vicious attack on Paul because of his attitude about this matter. They even went so far as to charge that he was an impostor and was guilty of misleading the membership of the churches. In response to these charges, Paul wrote the Epistle to the Galatians.
At the beginning of the letter, Paul expresses astonishment at what has taken place during his absence from the Galatians. Surprised at the attitude taken by the so-called leaders of the Jerusalem church, he is deeply disappointed when the people among whom he labored are persuaded by these visiting brethren to turn from the message that he proclaimed and accept as obligatory the requirements characteristic of Jewish legalism. Replying to the accusation that he is not a qualified leader of the Christian community, Paul defends his apostleship by declaring that Jesus Christnot mencalled him to that office. In support of this claim, he reviews the experiences that led to his conversion and the circumstances under which he carried on his work among the churches. He describes his relationship with the so-called pillars of the church at Jerusalem, explaining both the purpose and the outcome of his conferences with them. Although he did not receive from them any directive concerning the content of the message he was to proclaim, they were fully informed about the work he was doing and gave their approval to it, specifying in particular that he should devote his main efforts toward working with people entering the church from a Gentile background.
Following this introduction, Paul proceeds to the main point of the letter: to explain and clarify his position concerning the Law, which he does by detailing both its uses and its limitations as a means of obtaining salvation. The Law, he maintains, lays bare the defects in a persons character. In this respect, its function is like that of a looking-glass, which reveals blemishes but does not remove them. He writes, So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. When this goal has been reached, the Law is no longer necessary: Clearly no one is justified before God by the law. Only by faith in Christ are people justified. By faith, Paul means something more than a mere intellectual assent to a number of facts in connection with the earthly life of Jesus. He means a commitment on the part of an individual to the way of life exemplified in the person of Jesus. A person possessed by the same spirit present in Jesus will be saved from sin and the spiritual death that sin brings. That persons desires and whole nature will be so transformed that he will do what is right because he wants to act that way rather than because he thinks it is a duty to be performed in order to obtain a reward.
Paul presents a series of arguments in support of his position regarding the Law. For example, he refers to Abraham as the father of the faithful and insists that Abrahams righteousness could not have been obtained by obedience to Mosaic laws because those laws were not given until centuries after Abraham died. Hence, Abraham must have obtained righteousness by faith. But if Abrahams righteousness was achieved by faith, the same must be true for all of his spiritual descendants. When God made his great promise to Abraham, all of Abrahams descendants were included. Christians are, according to Paul, of Abrahams seed, for it is said, If you belong to Christ, then you are Abrahams seed, and heirs according to the promise. This same point is elaborated somewhat further in the allegory of Abrahams two sons. One son, Ishmael, was born of a slave woman, but the other son, Isaac, was born of a free woman. Ishmael represents people who are under bondage to the Law, and Isaac represents people who are free in Christ: It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
The Epistle to the Galatians concludes with a description of the kind of life that a person will live who is filled with the Spirit of God, a life that sharply contrasts to the kind of life a person will live who has carnal desires. The quality of living is determined by whether or not an individual is possessed by the Spirit of Christ.
Commentary
Galatians is important for several reasons. First of all, it is among the earliest, if not the earliest, of all the writings in the New Testament. The letter gives us an insight into the problems that arose in the Christian churches of the first century after Jesus physical death, and most important of all, it reveals one of the most essential elements in Pauls conception of Christianity. The letter has sometimes been called Pauls declaration of independence, a designation that means freedom from bondage to laws of any kind, whether human laws or divine laws. On this particular point, Paul made a definite break not only with Judaism but with those Christians of Jewish descent who thought of the new religion in terms of obedience both to the Mosaic Law and the laws enunciated by Jesus.
These two competing conceptions of Christianity generally were held respectively by the Jewish and the Gentile elements in the membership of the Christian church. Those with a Jewish background held what may be called a legalistic conception of religion; the Gentile element under the leadership of Paul believed in a mystical conception. According to the latter view, salvation can never be achieved by trying to obey the requirements of the Law. Human nature is so constituted that a person necessarily follows the desires of the heart, and so long as these desires are contrary to the requirements of the Law, the result will be disobedience and a sense of guilt.
When Paul speaks of salvation by faith, he means the situation in which desires have been changed so that what one wants to do will coincide with what one ought to do, a transformation that humanity cannot bring about by itself alone but that can take place only when the Spirit of God in Christ takes possession of hearts and minds. Salvation, the very essence of Christian mysticism, means a union, or oneness, of the individual and God. In other words, God dwells within the life of the individual, whose nature is thereby changed from that which is prone to do evil to that prone to do good. The earthly career of Jesus is significant because it illustrates what can happen to any human being who allows the Spirit of God to take full possession of him, an idea clearly expressed by Paul when he says, I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.
Pauls argument did not convince all members of the Christian community. Many members, especially those of a Jewish background and understanding, still held to the legalistic view. The conflict between the legalistic and the mystical interpretations of religion can be traced through all of the successive periods of Christian history and is still one of the vital issues in contemporary theology.
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- Friday, August 05, 2005 at 10:36:25 (EDT)
Two letters that Paul wrote to the church in Thessalonica are preserved in the New Testament. The first letter1 Thessalonianswas written to a community of believers who had been Christians for only a short period of time, probably no more than a few months. We learn from the Book of Acts that during Pauls stay in the city of Thessalonica, he preached in a Jewish synagogue on three successive Sabbath days. He evidently stayed in the city for some time thereafter and continued his work among the Gentiles. Although his ministry was successful to the extent that he won converts to Christianity from both Jews and Gentiles, he did encounter opposition, especially from Jews who resented very much that he was able to win Jewish followers. Because of this opposition, Paul wisely left the city for fear that the newly formed Christian community would be persecuted as he had been. He regretted that he must leave the Christians before they were well established in the faith, but he hoped that he might visit them again in the near future. When sickness prevented him from returning, he sent his colleague Timothy to strengthen the group and then report back to Paul on the progress that had been made. When Timothy returned to Paul with the good news that the members of the church were standing firm in their new faith, Paul wrote the First Epistle to the Thessalonians.
Paul congratulates the Thessalonians on their fidelity to the gospel that he had proclaimed while among them and urges them to remain steadfast in the faith. He warns them against sensuality and various forms of self-seeking, which are contrary to the spirit of the Christian way of life. But the main purpose of Pauls letter is to deal with a special problem that developed after Paul left the city. Paul shared with the Christians at Thessalonica his belief that the end of the age would come in the very near future. In part an inheritance from Jewish apocalypticism, this belief held that the messianic kingdom would be ushered in by a sudden catastrophic event, at which time the heavenly Messiah would descend on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. When the first Christians accepted the idea that the man who had died on the cross was the real Messiah, they were convinced that he must return to earth to complete the work that he had begun. The manner of his second coming was conceived in accordance with the apocalyptic conceptions. This belief was common among the early Christians, and Paul accepted it along with the rest. Although the Christians were quite insistent that no one knew the exact time when this second coming would take place, they felt sure that it would occur during the lifetime of those who were then members of the Christian community.
After Paul left Thessalonica, some of the people who belonged to the church died. Because Jesus had not returned, serious doubts arose in the minds of those Thessalonians who were still living, for they had been led to believe that Jesus the Messiah would return before any of them died. As they saw it, Paul was mistaken on this point, which then caused them to wonder whether he might also be mistaken on other points as well. Obviously, an explanation of some kind was in order, and this situation, more than any other single factor, prompted the writing of Pauls First Epistle to the Thessalonians.
In his statement regarding Jesus second coming, Paul says that he has in no way abandoned his faith that the return of Jesus to this earth will take place in the near future. Concerning those who died or who might die before Jesus returns, he states that they will be raised from the dead and will share equally with those who are still living at that time: For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. To this statement, Paul adds, After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. The letter closes with a reminder that the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. No one knows just when it will come, but all are admonished to live in such a way that they will be ready for it at any moment.
Pauls Second Epistle to the Thessalonians is in one sense a follow-up to the first letter. Evidently, the first letter was well received. People were satisfied with Pauls explanation concerning those who died and were ready and willing to suffer persecution if need be in order to remain true to the gospel that Paul preached. However, some members of the Christian community were so overly zealous about Pauls teaching that the end of the age was near at hand that they stopped making any plans for the future. Indeed, some of them stopped doing any work at all, believing that in this way they were demonstrating their faith in the nearness of the great event. Those who did not work were a burden to those who did work, and this situation constituted a new problem. Paul addresses this concern in his second letter.
After commending the Thessalonians for their loyalty and assuring them that God will deal justly with their persecutors, Paul proceeds to the main point of the letter. Although the coming Day of the Lord is near, it is not as close as some people think. Concerning a report that had circulated among the people stating that the day had already come, Paul tells the Thessalonians not to be deceived on this matter, for the Day of the Lord will not arrive until after certain events have taken place, and these events have not occurred yet. The specific events to which Paul refers concern the coming of an Antichrist, someone in whom the power of Satan has become incarnate and who will establish himself in the Temple at Jerusalem, working with signs and wonders to deceive people. The basis for Pauls statement along this line is found in the Jewish apocalyptic writings, which were fairly well known to him. Concerning the coming of this lawless Antichrist, Paul says that the Antichrists activities are already in operation and would be carried out more fully except that he is now being restrained. (Presumably, Paul means that the Roman government is restraining the Antichrist.) In due time, the Antichrist will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will overthrow [the Antichrist] with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The letter closes with an admonition to the Thessalonians to continue their regular lines of work and not to wait in idleness for the return of Jesus.
Commentary
The two letters to the Thessalonians are of interest from a historical point of view because they reveal conditions that existed in the newly formed Christian communities. They are also of value in that they indicate something of the extent to which the early church was influenced by Jewish apocalypticism in its beliefs concerning the second coming of Christ and the setting up of the messianic kingdom. Jewish apocalypses taught that there would be a resurrection of the dead in connection with other events that would usher in the new age. Paul was able to make use of these apocalyptic conceptions in answering the questions that so troubled the Christians in Thessalonica.
Both of Pauls letters to the Thessalonians were addressed to this one church and were occasioned by the problems associated with that particular group of church members. It is quite unlikely that Paul anticipated any further use to be made of his letters. Little if anything in them throws much light on the theological issues involved in Pauls interpretation of Christianity. The letters do, however, indicate the type of instruction that Paul gave to newcomers in the Christian movement.
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- Friday, August 05, 2005 at 10:36:56 (EDT)
What the? Absolutely Kosher has loot like that? No way. Press release below...
Wind-Up Records has just formally turned down Absolutely Kosher Records' offer of $100,000 to purchase the rights to the Wrens' first two albums, Silver and Secaucus. This is the fourth and most substantial offer Absolutely Kosher has made to acquire the records since the label signed the Wrens in late 2002/early 2003. Two previous attempts to license the albums (rather than buy them) were quashed when Wind-Up insisted an advance given to the band in 1996 be repaid before licensing negotiations proceed. When it became clear that the history between Wind-Up and the Wrens was dictating that label's business decisions, Absolutely Kosher was left with no choice but to try and buy the albums outright. The latest offer of one hundred thousand dollars (yes, $100,000.00) was made several weeks ago just prior to the band's landmark performance at Chicago's Intonation Festival in front of 16,000 people and was rejected this morning. Absolutely Kosher label head Cory Brown said of the conversation, "Even their licensing person seemed surprised that the higher-ups had turned down the offer. She said she would keep me posted if there had been any progress and that we could revisit this in six months. She said that Wind-Up might reissue the albums, but no definite plans had been made or she, at least, hadn't been made privy to them. I told her that as much as it would be great to see these records in print eventually, the time to do so was now and we were the label to do it." Both Silver (1994) and Secaucus (1996) were released on Grass Records, also home to such bands as Brainiac (pre-Enon) and Commander Venus (pre-Bright Eyes). Grass was purchased by industry mogul Allen Meltzer, fresh off the sale of the Alliance Entertainment Corporation, a conglomerate of one-stop distributors he founded in the early 1990s. Meltzer transformed the label into Wind-Up not long after the Wrens decided against signing the rather binding multi-album deal the label had laid before them. Both albums (as well as the bulk of the Grass catalog) promptly went out of print and have been fetching anywhere from $35 to $160 on e-Bay, Amazon and the like. The Wrens would have likely been forgotten by all but a few avid fans were it not for the release and remarkable grass roots success of their third album, The Meadowlands, released by Absolutely Kosher in September 2003. "The public deserves to be able to buy Silver and Secaucus for a reasonable price and no label is better suited to put them back in print than The Wrens' active label partner, Absolutely Kosher Records. Wind-Up squandered their opportunity with the Wrens years ago and have done absolutely nothing in the two years since The Meadowlands' break-out success. The expectation that they would put the proper time and energy into these reissues, if they even choose to pursue them at all, is unrealistic. Several commercially generous offers have been made for records which are doing nothing but collecting dust in their vaults and each time they have turned them down with no counter-offer. Perhaps it's vague self-interest, perhaps it's spite. Either way, it borders on criminal both morally (in terms of what's best for the fans and the band) and fiscally (in terms of what's best for the label). We'd like to call on all Wrens fans and people concerned with artists' rights to write a letter to Wind-Up Records urging them to accept Absolutely Kosher's most recent offer and FREE THE WRENS' BACK CATALOGUE. Here's their address:
Wind-up Records
RE: FREE THE WRENS' BACK CATALOGUE
72 Madison Ave
New York, NY 10016
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- Friday, August 05, 2005 at 10:37:32 (EDT)
Paul wrote at least four different letters to the church at Corinth, three of which are included in the New Testament. In what is now called 1 Corinthians, there is a reference to a former letter in which instruction was given concerning the type of conduct that should not be tolerated in a Christian church. 2 Corinthians is made up of two different letters. Chapters 19 are written in a conciliatory tone that indicates that they were composed after Chapters 1013 were received and accepted by the members of the church. Chapters 1013 belong to what is often referred to as the painful letter, in which Paul replies to the many false charges made concerning him and his work. The largest part of Pauls correspondence was with the church at Corinth, for the problems that he encountered in this place were more numerous than he had found in other cities, and if his message could be successful in Corinth, there was good reason to believe that it could have results that would be equally as good in any other place.
Corinth was an important city in Pauls day. Generally known as a city devoted to pleasure-seeking, it was a center for Greek culture and a busy commercial city with a cosmopolitan atmosphere that brought together people and customs from different parts of the world. Pagan religions with sexual rites and ceremonies existed, and both materialism and immorality were the accepted order of the day. In view of these conditions, no wonder Paul said he began his Corinthian mission with fear. However, his work was successful from the beginning. He was especially anxious to guide new Christian converts with reference to the many perplexing problems that were bound to arise. In other places, the Jewish element, with its legalistic tendencies, created difficulties, but in Corinth, the moral problem caused the greater anxiety. The Corinthian churchs membership was composed of people from many different quarters, including those whose training and environment were foreign to the Hebrew standards of morality. Paul was deeply concerned that the Christian church in Corinth should make no compromise with the moralityor immoralitycustomary in a pagan society.
The longest of the letters written to the church at Corinth is known in the New Testament as 1 Corinthians. Containing sixteen chapters dealing with a wide variety of topics, the first topic mentioned is that of divisions within the church. Four distinct factions correspond to the four individuals whose teachings were followed by the respective groups: Paul, Apollos, Cephas, and Christ. Reportedly, the household of Chloe informed Paul that serious quarrels had taken place among these factions. The spirit of independent thinking emphasized so strongly by the Greeks evidently was influencing the Corinthian Christians. Pauls manner of dealing with the problem is noteworthy. He does not insist that all members of the community should think alike on every subject, nor does he advocate that someone with authority should tell others what to believe. What he does insist on is a unity of spirit and purpose that will allow each group to learn from the others.
On the subject of immorality within the membership of the church, Paul is very explicit. Any type of immoral conduct must not be tolerated among the believers. If any of their number persist in following the low moral standards of the pagans, they should be excluded from membership. Association with evildoers cannot be avoided so long as church members live in a wicked city, but it need not be permitted within the group that is called Christian. The function of the church is to set a high standard for the society in which it exists, which cannot be done by permitting low standards among their own members: Dont you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeastas you really are.
Disputes arising among members of the Christian community should be settled peaceably without going to a civil court: The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Paul refers to a popular Jewish belief that saints are to have a part in the judgment of the world. Certainly the Corinthians are not qualified to have a part in the judgment of the world if they are unable to settle difficulties among themselves.
Sexual morality was a real problem in the church at Corinth. Neither monogamy nor chastity was regarded as obligatory in the pagan society in which many of the church members were reared before becoming Christians. Pauls instruction regarding marriage must be considered in accordance with his belief concerning the imminence of the second coming of Christ, as well as with his desire to have the church at Corinth exemplify a high standard of living. The same can be said about his advice concerning the impropriety of women speaking in church. In the city of Corinth, prostitutes customarily spoke in public, and to protect the reputation of the women in the Christian church, Paul thought it would be wise for them to remain silent. He explains, however, that this is merely his personal opinion; he has received no direct revelation to this effect.
Regarding the eating of meat that has been obtained from animals sacrificed to idols, everyone should follow the dictates of their own consciences, the only condition being that each person should have respect for the conscience of the person who does not agree with him. One should refrain from needlessly offending another person, even though by doing so it is necessary to curb ones own appetite.
The Christian churches customarily commemorated the events associated with Jesus death and resurrection by partaking of a common meal together. Some of the people at Corinth failed to see the significance of this meal and made it an occasion for feasting. Paul explains that the purpose of this meal is not for the enjoyment of eating and drinking together but rather for a renewed dedication to the spirit made manifest in the life and death of Jesus. In other words, each individual should examine his own heart and life and bring them into harmony with the Spirit of Christ. Any grievances that people have with one another should be set aside in preparation for the eating of the meal together.
Spiritual gifts among the various members of the church is another topic treated at some length in 1 Corinthians. Using the analogy of the human body, in which each organ has its special function to perform and no one of them can be regarded as more vital than another, the same principle applies within the church, which is the body of Christ. Some members have the gift of prophecy, others that of teaching, and still others that of offering help in carrying forward the work of the church. Those who are apostles or prophets are not to think of themselves as superior to those who exercise other gifts, for all gifts are necessary, and the church would not be complete if any of them were missing. To those who boast that they have the gift of tongues and are therefore in a position to exercise lordship over others, Paul writes that this particular gift, like all of the others, should be evaluated in terms of its usefulness in promoting the Christian way of life. He does not condemn this gift for those who might find it useful, but he says that so far as he is concerned, it is better to speak a few words that will be understood by others than to speak at great length in an unknown tongue that is quite unintelligible to those who might hear it.
Following the discussion of spiritual gifts is Pauls immortal hymn to Christian love, which is one of the great classics of Christian literature. The hymn makes love the foundation for all Christian conduct. What wisdom was for the Greeks, love is for Christians: And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
After the discourse on love, Paul discusses resurrection. For him, the subject is of primary importance, for he considers resurrection the basis upon which the whole structure of Christianity rests. If Christ is not risen, then our hope is in vain. Christs resurrection is attested to by a large number of witnesses, of whom Paul counts himself one of the last. The significance of the resurrection, more than a vindication of the Messiahship of Jesus, assures us that what happened in the case of Jesus can and will happen to all those who believe in him. The resurrection of the righteous will be associated with the second coming of Christ: For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: Death has been swallowed up in victory. The letter closes with an appeal for a contribution to help provide for the poor among the Christians in Jerusalem. Paul will stop at Corinth on his way to Jerusalem and take the gift with him.
The so-called painful letter, which is found in Chapters 1013 of 2 Corinthians, contains Pauls defense of himself and of his work to the charges made against him by his enemies, including the Jewish legalists who said that Paul was an impostor who had not been authorized by the proper authorities to work among the churches. The legalists supported their charge by pointing out that Paul had a thorn in [his] flesh, some physical defect that, according to ancient Jewish regulations, would have barred a man from the priesthood. They further maintained that Paul supported himself by doing manual labor rather than by accepting support from the members of the church. This labor, in their judgment, was an admission on his part that he was not qualified to be supported in the way that was customary for duly authorized missionaries. The legalists also accused Paul of cowardice on the grounds that he was bold so long as he was writing letters, but he was very mild when present with the legalists in person. Other charges of a similar nature were made in an all-out attempt to discredit the religious work that Paul was doing.
To all of these charges, Paul makes a vigorous reply. He shows wherein the charges are false, and he recounts for the people at Corinth the many trials and hardships that he suffered for their sake and for the sake of the gospel. Although he apologizes for seeming to boast of his own attainments, he explains the necessity for doing so. He indicates further that his greatest disappointment lies not in the fact that charges of this sort have been made against him but that the members of the Corinthian church have apparently been persuaded by them.
The first nine chapters of what is now called 2 Corinthians are a letter that appears to have been written some time after the painful letter was received and accepted by the church. This letter contains an expression of gratitude for the change that has taken place among the Corinthian believers. Paul rejoices that they are now on the right track again, and he summarizes for them the essential meaning of the gospel that he first proclaimed to them. Using the language of the Old Testament prophet Jeremiah, Paul tells them that the Christian gospel is none other than the New Covenant, written not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. Toward the close of the letter, he again reminds them of the collection to be taken for the poor in Jerusalem.
Commentary
Although the Corinthian letters were addressed to a single church and were concerned primarily with local problems existing at that time, they are of special interest to readers of the New Testament. One reason for this interest is that the letters were writ- ten at an early date; therefore, they throw considerable light on the character of the Christian movement prior to the writing of any gospel account of Jesus life. Pauls statements concerning the resurrection of Jesus constitute the earliest preserved record of that event. The same is true of his account of the institution of the Lords Supper. His remarks concerning the gift of tongues, along with the other gifts of the spirit, help us to understand the way in which these manifestations were viewed by the early church. Finally, the many problems discussed in 1 Corinthians tell us a great deal about the conditions that prevailed at that time.
Pauls account of the resurrection enables us to see how his view differed from those of the ancient Greeks and also from the view found in certain portions of the Old Testament. The Greeks believed in the doctrine of the souls immortality. According to this doctrine, souls do not have a beginning or an end. They are eternal realities capable of existing apart from the bodies in which they were incarnated. This view was contrary to the Hebrew conception, which viewed man as a single unit including body, soul, and spirit; the soul was not something that existed apart from the body. After death, all went down to Sheol, a cavern below the earth, but no memory or consciousness of any kind attended this state of existence.
In contrast to these views, Paul believed in a genuine resurrection from physical death in which a persons individuality and moral worth would be preserved. But this preservation was not to be a reanimation of the corpse and a continuation of life as it had been before. Flesh and blood, Paul tells us, will not inherit Gods kingdom. The body that is raised will not be the natural body but rather a spiritual body. Paul does not tell us what this spiritual body will be like, but he is sure that it will be a body of some kind, for the personality includes body, soul, and spirit, and salvation is not achieved until all three have been transformed together. The Gnostics of Pauls day, who believed that only spirit is good and that all matter is evil, taught that Jesus did not possess a physical body but only appeared to do so. For Paul, this position was untenable: Unless Jesus possessed a body in common with other human beings, his triumph over evil would have no significance for humans. Jesus resurrection means a triumph of the entire personality over the forces of evil; what it means for Jesus it also means for all those who put their trust in him.
he dies for you
- Friday, August 05, 2005 at 10:38:49 (EDT)
A Brief History of the King James Bible
By Dr. Laurence M. Vance
As the reign of Elizabeth (1558-1603) was coming to a close, we find a draft for an act of Parliament for a new version of the Bible: "An act for the reducing of diversities of bibles now extant in the English tongue to one settled vulgar translated from the original." The Bishop's Bible of 1568, although it may have eclipsed the Great Bible, was still rivaled by the Geneva Bible. Nothing ever became of this draft during the reign of Elizabeth, who died in 1603, and was succeeded by James 1, as the throne passed from the Tudors to the Stuarts. James was at that time James VI of Scotland, and had been for thirty-seven years. He was born during the period between the Geneva and the Bishop's Bible.
One of the first things done by the new king was the calling of the Hampton Court Conference in January of 1604 "for the hearing, and for the determining, things pretended to be amiss in the church." Here were assembled bishops, clergymen, and professors, along with four Puritan divines, to consider the complaints of the Puritans. Although Bible revision was not on the agenda, the Puritan president of Corpus Christi College, John Reynolds, "moved his Majesty, that there might be a new translation of the Bible, because those which were allowed in the reigns of Henry the eighth, and Edward the sixth, were corrupt and not answerable to the truth of the Original."
The king rejoined that he:
"Could never yet see a Bible well translated in English; but I think that, of all, that of Geneva is the worst. I wish some special pains were taken for an uniform translation, which should be done by he best learned men in both Universities, then reviewed by the Bishops, presented to the Privy Council, lastly ratified by the Royal authority, to be read in the whole Church, and none other."
Accordingly, a resolution came forth:
"That a translation be made of the whole Bible, as consonant as can be to the original Hebrew and Greek; and this to be set out and printed, without any marginal notes, and only to be used in all churches of England in time of divine service."
The next step was the actual selection of the men who were to perform the work. In July of 1604, James wrote to Bishop Bancroft that he had "appointed certain learned men, to the number of four and fifty, for the translating of the Bible." These men were the best biblical scholars and linguists of their day. In the preface to their completed work it is further stated that "there were many chosen, that were greater in other men's eyes than in their own, and that sought the truth rather than their own praise. Again, they came or were thought to come to the work, learned, not to learn." Other men were sought out, according to James, "so that our said intended translation may have the help and furtherance of all our principal learned men within this our kingdom."
Although fifty-four men were nominated, only forty-seven were known to have taken part in the work of translation. The translators were organized into six groups, and met respectively at Westminster, Cambridge, and Oxford. Ten at Westminster were assigned Genesis through 2 Kings; seven had Romans through Jude. At Cambridge, eight worked on 1 Chronicles through Ecclesiastes, while seven others handled the Apocrypha. Oxford employed seven to translate Isaiah through Malachi; eight occupied themselves with the Gospels, Acts, and Revelation.
Fifteen general rules were advanced for the guidance of the translators:
1. The ordinary Bible read in the Church, commonly called the Bishops Bible, to be followed, and as little altered as the Truth of the original will permit.
2. The names of the Prophets, and the Holy Writers, with the other Names of the Text, to be retained, as nigh as may be, accordingly as they were vulgarly used.
3. The Old Ecclesiastical Words to be kept, viz. the Word Church not to be translated Congregation &;c.
4. When a Word hath divers Significations, that to be kept which hath been most commonly used by the most of the Ancient Fathers, being agreeable to the Propriety of the Place, and the Analogy of the Faith.
5. The Division of the Chapters to be altered, either not at all, or as little as may be, if Necessity so require.
6. No Marginal Notes at all to be affixed, but only for the explanation of the Hebrew or Greek Words, which cannot without some circumlocution, so briefly and fitly be expressed in the Text.
7. Such Quotations of Places to be marginally set down as shall serve for the fit Reference of one Scripture to another.
8. Every particular Man of each Company, to take the same Chapter or Chapters, and having translated or amended them severally by himself, where he thinketh good, all to meet together, confer what they have done, and agree for their Parts what shall stand.
9. As any one Company hath dispatched any one Book in this Manner they shall send it to the rest, to be considered of seriously and judiciously, for His Majesty is very careful in this Point.
10. If any Company, upon the Review of the Book so sent, doubt or differ upon any Place, to send them Word thereof; note the Place, and withal send the Reasons, to which if they consent not, the Difference to be compounded at the general Meeting, which is to be of the chief Persons of each Company, at the end of the Work.
11. When any Place of special Obscurity is doubted of, Letters to be directed by Authority, to send to any Learned Man in the Land, for his Judgement of such a Place.
12. Letters to be sent from every Bishop to the rest of his Clergy, admonishing them of this Translation in hand; and to move and charge as many skilful in the Tongues; and having taken pains in that kind, to send his particular Observations to the Company, either at Westminster, Cambridge, or Oxford.
13. The Directors in each Company, to be the Deans of Westminster, and Chester for that Place; and the King's Professors in the Hebrew or Greek in either University.
14. These translations to be used when they agree better with the Text than the Bishops Bible: Tyndale's, Matthew's, Coverdale's, Whitchurch's, Geneva.
15. Besides the said Directors before mentioned, three or four of the most Ancient and Grave Divines, in either of the Universities, not employed in Translating, to be assigned by the vice-Chancellor, upon Conference with the rest of the Heads, to be Overseers of the Translations as well Hebrew as Greek, for the better observation of the 4th Rule above specified.
The work began to take shape in 1604 and progressed steadily. The translators expressed their early thoughts in their preface as:
"Truly (good Christian Reader) we never thought from the beginning, that we should need to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one,...but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principal good one, not justly to be excepted against, that hath been our endeavor."
They had at their disposal all the previous English translations to which they did not disdain:
"We are so far off from condemning any of their labors that travailed before us in this kind, either in this land or beyond sea, either in King Henry's time, or King Edward's...or Queen Elizabeth's of ever renowned memory, that we acknowledge them to have been raised up of God, for the building and furnishing of his Church, and that they deserve to be had of us and of posterity in everlasting remembrance."
And, as the translators themselves also acknowledged, they had a multitude of sources from which to draw from: "Neither did we think much to consult the Translators or Commentators, CHaldee, Hebrew, Syrian, Greek, or Latin, no nor the Spanish, French, Italian, or Dutch." The Greek editions of Erasmus, Stephanus, and Beza were all accessible, as were the COmplutensian and Antwerp Polyglots, and the Latin translations of Pagninus, Termellius, and Beza.
Four years were spent on the preliminary translation by the six groups. The translators were exacting and particular in their work, as related in their preface:
Neither did we disdain to revise that which we had done, and to bring back to the anvil that which we had hammered: but having and using as great helps as were needful, and fearing no reproach for slowness, nor coveting praise for expedition, we have at the length, through the good hand of the Lord upon us, brought the work to that pass that you see.
The conferences of each of the six being ended, nine months were spent at Stationers' Hall in London for review and revision of the work by two men each from the Westminster, Cambridge, and Oxford companies. The final revision was then completed by Myles Smith and Thomas Bilson, with a preface supplied by Smith.
The completed work was issued in 1611, the complete title page reading:
"THE HOLY BIBLE, Conteyning the Old Testament, and the New: Newly Translated out of the Originall tongues: & with the former Translations diligently compared and revised, by his Majesties Special Commandment. Appointed to be read in Churches. Imprinted at London by Robert Barker, Printer to the Kings most Excellent Majestie. ANNO DOM. 1611."
The New Testament had a separate title page, the whole of it reading:
"THE NEWE Testament of our Lord and Saviour JESUS CHRIST. Newly Translated out of the Originall Greeke: and with the former Translations diligently compared and revised, by his Majesties speciall Commandment. IMPRINTED at London by Robert Barker, Printer to the Kings most Excellent Majestie. ANNO DOM. 1611. Cum Privilegio."
The King James Bible was, in its first editions, even larger than the Great Bible. It was printed in black letter with small italicized Roman type to represent those words not in the original languages.
A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness."
The Authorized Version, as it came to be called, went through several editions and revisions. Two notable editions were that of 1629, the first ever printed at Cambridge, and that of 1638, also at Cambridge, which was assisted by John Bois and Samuel Ward, two of the original translators. In 1657, the Parliament considered another revision, but it came to naught. The most important editions were those of the 1762 Cambridge revision by Thomas Paris, and the 1769 Oxford revision by Benjamin Blayney. One of the earliest concrdances was A Concordance to the Bible of the Last Translation, by John Down-ham, affixed to a printing of 1632.
The Authorized Version eclipsed all previous versions of the Bible. The Geneva Bible was last printed in 1644, but the notes continued to be published with the King James text. Subsequent versions of the Bible were likewise eclipsed, for the Authorized Version was the Bible until the advent of the Revised Version and ensuing modern translations. It is still accepted as such by its defenders, and recognized as so by its detractors. Alexander Geddes (d. 1802), a Roman Catholic priest, who in 1792 issued the first colume of his own translation of the Bible, accordingly paid tribute to the Bible of his time:
"The highest eulogiums have been made on the translation of James the First, both by our own writers and by foreigners. And, indeed, if accuracy, fidelity, and the strictest attention to the letter of the text, be supposed to constitute the qualities of an excellent version, this of all versions, must, in general, be accounted the most excellent. Every sentence, every work, every syllable, every letter and point, seem to have been weighed with the nicest exactitude; and expressed, either in the text, or margin, with the greatest precision."
As to whether the Authorized Version was ever officially "authorized," Brooke Westcott, one of the members of the committee that produced the Revised Version, and the editor, with Fenton Hort, of an edition of the Greek New Testament, stated that:
From the middle of the seventeenth century, the King's Bible has been the acknowledged Bible of the English-speaking nations throughout the world simply because it is the best. A revision which embodied the ripe fruits of nearly a century of labour, and appealed to the religious instinct of a great Christian people, gained by its own internal character a vital authority which could never have been secured by any edict of sovereign rulers.
This article was taken from the book A Brief History of English Bible Translations by Dr. Laurence M. Vance.
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god
- Friday, August 05, 2005 at 10:40:05 (EDT)
wow! what would jesus do ?
holy crap
- Friday, August 05, 2005 at 11:34:16 (EDT)
Face it, Curt. No matter what you do to throw people off the trail, they'll eventually realize just how incredibly useless you are. You sir, have dug your own artistic grave.
Fucktard, the Poster Nerd <curtsucksmydickdaily@hishouse.com>
- Monday, August 08, 2005 at 00:14:12 (EDT)
Lay off! He's cool!
Fan
- Monday, August 08, 2005 at 01:26:44 (EDT)
curt is the bomb yo! his shit is like mad awetistic. He dont need your whack approvals. keep on poppin', curt.. and i will be right there with you all up on your tip n shit.
ass popper <ass@popper.com>
- Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 12:05:59 (EDT)
what ?
huh
- Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 12:12:50 (EDT)
so this guy actually bought one his paintings ? has any one seen any of his work besides this one ?
artist
- Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 12:14:10 (EDT)
Curt is the leader of the Copy*Paste*Flip-Horizontal movement. He is my hero.
kurt
- Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 15:46:00 (EDT)
dear Huh,
what you mean, what? are you trying to talk shlitz? I will bitchclap you so fast it will knock the balls outchure mammas mouth. If i ever see you in publick you best watch your front. weghrd.
ass poper <ass@popper.kizom>
- Friday, August 12, 2005 at 14:31:19 (EDT)
karma is a bitch...curt has what's coming to him and it is not nice...thanks for ruining lives,curt....
you suck <yoyo@yahoo.com>
- Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 01:06:52 (EDT)
wait, he's not dead? Your telling me that curt posted as his own mother to say he died just to get an incrimidating thread removed? The thread that clearly exposed him for all to see? That's pretty low, Curt.
dale farnsworth
- Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 18:22:25 (EDT)
thats funny that people say curt is dead. i just saw him last week. as far as you geeks go, grow up. curt is an exceptionl artist and you all are jealous
a victim <helpmegod@saved.com>
- Wednesday, September 07, 2005 at 02:47:09 (EDT)
you dont seem to understand. there is no copy paste flip. it is made from a stencil then placed on the rear piece of clear plexi glass. then painted backwards that means for all you burn a copy from a machine artist . that yes he actually paints it backwards . can you even wrap your simple minds around that. it is more than photo shop and a copier and silkscreens . art is what you guys use to make your prints. curt actually makes art. so go back to silkscreening your local high school band shirts. leave art to artist.
paint <paint@youdraw.com>
- Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 15:28:45 (EDT)
ok i finally get it.
step 1: go to gigposters.com
step 2: find some 'non art' on one of the posters there
step 3: use said piece of 'non art' to make a stencil
step 4: paint it on plexiglass.
step 5: log on to gigposters again as mom, and fake death.
johnson <jonson@johnson.com>
- Sunday, October 02, 2005 at 20:39:55 (EDT)
no no ...you dont get it . i loved that art that is why i did a painting of it . nothing more. i faked my death as a joke in dallas . i just added the drama by telling you nerds. i really love that you hate me . it rocks . 2 years running .. of a bunch of people i dont know ...i dont know their names or what they look like . but they all know me ...that is great . keep hating me . hate me forever waste all your time talking about me and making threats that not one of you are going to ever carry out . you know where i am . you know where i work . if you want to say anything to my face please come see me at elm st . till keep spreading the hate . thanks curtis
curtis
- Friday, October 07, 2005 at 16:49:34 (EDT)
jetpack+family=art
EBG
- Monday, October 10, 2005 at 11:26:53 (EDT)
werd up on that one EBG . thanks
artist <art@home.com>
- Monday, October 10, 2005 at 15:40:48 (EDT)
I make art. Not Fake art. I'm inspired. You're retired. So what if I sometimes borrow ideas and images from origional work by people who think they can draw. Nobody likes youre stoopid rawk posters anyway. Get over me. I now its because you love me and want to get in my pants. Just leave me and my highly successful art business alone. I rule and you drool. Have fun slavin away at youre drawing table while I party with mad hot beatches. Then I take youre work and sell as mine and make bucks. Back off or you get burned gigposter dorks.
Curt <therealartist@artloversparadise.com>
- Wednesday, October 12, 2005 at 11:36:37 (EDT)
Yeah, leave Curt E. alone. He is a serious artist that will be in big museums one day and you will be forgoten little poster artist. He makes great work that hangs perfectly in my house. he makes tshirts and pillows and will soon be making toys that will be too good for kidrobot and sell tons and tons. You will see. Keep an eye on that kid Curt because hes goin places. Buy he's stuff now while you can still afford it. Soon you cant.
tara <Tara@artbuyer.com>
- Wednesday, October 12, 2005 at 11:43:05 (EDT)
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